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		<title>By: Dr. George Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. George Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitch has hit the nail on the head.  The MOE seems oblivious to the fact that every time they lower a contamination limit, they immediately create a new list of brownfields out of those sites which fell just below the old limit.  The MOE argues that they will not pursue such a site if it was cleaned up to a former limit but the banks don&#039;t agree and are demanding more and more cleanup!  Equally insane is the current rule regarding &quot;sites within 30 m of a waterway&quot; which must meet &quot;pristine&quot; or background condition.  That may be great if you live on the banks of the local trout stream but makes no sense if your place of employment happens to be on the banks of  the local cess-pool with water which is too thin to walk on and too thick to swim in!  Even if you did clean these sites to a pristine state, how do you keep them that way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch has hit the nail on the head.  The MOE seems oblivious to the fact that every time they lower a contamination limit, they immediately create a new list of brownfields out of those sites which fell just below the old limit.  The MOE argues that they will not pursue such a site if it was cleaned up to a former limit but the banks don&#8217;t agree and are demanding more and more cleanup!  Equally insane is the current rule regarding &#8220;sites within 30 m of a waterway&#8221; which must meet &#8220;pristine&#8221; or background condition.  That may be great if you live on the banks of the local trout stream but makes no sense if your place of employment happens to be on the banks of  the local cess-pool with water which is too thin to walk on and too thick to swim in!  Even if you did clean these sites to a pristine state, how do you keep them that way?</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Saxe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dianne Saxe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitch,
You are one of the most devoted and experienced brownfield developers in Canada. If you are worried, I am worried, and so should the ministry be.
 best wishes
 Dianne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch,<br />
You are one of the most devoted and experienced brownfield developers in Canada. If you are worried, I am worried, and so should the ministry be.<br />
 best wishes<br />
 Dianne</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Fasken</title>
		<link>http://envirolaw.com/whats-next-for-brownfields/comment-page-1/#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchell Fasken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a much more pesimistic view of the proposed guidelines as I see them causing an epedemic growth of brownfield sites.  The move to a &quot;one size fits all&quot; model is great if by analogy you can fit into a pair size 28 inch pants,  but the reality is the majority of the population cannot, the same will hold true for the number of site able to meet the proposed MOE standards.  By the MOE&#039;s own admission, 50% of the sites remediated will not meet the new standard, what they could not comment on were how many sites which did not require remediation before since they met the currrent standards will now be considered contaminated under the proposed standards.   The option to move to a risk assessment is only viable if through the process you can obtain an RSC.  Failing the ability to develop achievable targets in an RA will render far more sites as unusable and will significantly increase the number of orphan sites and contingent liability.  The new standards propose to drive the target levels down again increasing the number on sites which will not achieve RA targets.   The MOE needs to start over recognizing the need to develop urban and non urban standards and ensure science, modeliing and financial viability are combined to develop new regulations and standards that are achieveable .  As a redeveloper of brownfield sites I view the changes proposed by the MOE as the most significant impediment to site remediation since I began working with brownfield sites over 25 years ago.  If advances forward without significant and fundamental change this proposed legislation will put significantly more pressure on greenfield sites and force users and developers away from brownfiels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a much more pesimistic view of the proposed guidelines as I see them causing an epedemic growth of brownfield sites.  The move to a &#8220;one size fits all&#8221; model is great if by analogy you can fit into a pair size 28 inch pants,  but the reality is the majority of the population cannot, the same will hold true for the number of site able to meet the proposed MOE standards.  By the MOE&#8217;s own admission, 50% of the sites remediated will not meet the new standard, what they could not comment on were how many sites which did not require remediation before since they met the currrent standards will now be considered contaminated under the proposed standards.   The option to move to a risk assessment is only viable if through the process you can obtain an RSC.  Failing the ability to develop achievable targets in an RA will render far more sites as unusable and will significantly increase the number of orphan sites and contingent liability.  The new standards propose to drive the target levels down again increasing the number on sites which will not achieve RA targets.   The MOE needs to start over recognizing the need to develop urban and non urban standards and ensure science, modeliing and financial viability are combined to develop new regulations and standards that are achieveable .  As a redeveloper of brownfield sites I view the changes proposed by the MOE as the most significant impediment to site remediation since I began working with brownfield sites over 25 years ago.  If advances forward without significant and fundamental change this proposed legislation will put significantly more pressure on greenfield sites and force users and developers away from brownfiels.</p>
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